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Friday, July 16, 2010

Geller vs Ramey

Pamela Geller posted a video of a joint interview with Ibrahim Ramey, who said some things that must be rebutted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcF9XxyZ55A&feature=player_embedded#at=13

It goes sour for me right off the bat when Ibrahim Ramey is introduced as affiliated with the Muslim American Society. After seeing the results of Balkanization in Czechoslovakia & Yugoslavia, I am compelled to say that I am an American. If you are a hypenated-American, and you ain't happy here, then its time to go home. So, go.

Two and one half minutes into the video, Ramey says that 9/11 was a "criminal attack, not an Islamic attack". That malicious malarkey raises my blood pressure significantly. I am PO'd. It is a good thing I was not within reach of him when he said that, because it would have precipitated a criminal act. That attack was planned over a span of eight years, by Muslims, motivated by the damnable doctrines of conquest, terror and genocide enshrined in the Qur'an and exemplified in the sunnah of their damned Profit. That attack was carried out by Muslims, who pronounced the takbir while slitting the throats of the flight crews.

When some damned Muslim slits a pilot's throat in the name of Allah and you assert that his act was not Islamic, I need to reach out and wipe the smirk off your face. It is equivalent to saying that the conquest of India and genocide of the Hindus was not Islamic or that the Assyrian & Armenian genocides were not Islamic. The denial of obvious truth is malicious and malignant. It must be repudiated.

Next, Ramey says that Muslims have First Amendment rights, like other Americans, in terms of freedom of religion. Yes, they do, because the founders of this nation, in their haste & process of compromise, and not anticipating that Muslims might immigrate at some future time, neglected to include a definition of religion in the Bill of Rights. Legitimate religions have spiritual and benevolent missions, they do good, not harm. Islam has a mercenary mission and is responsible for the early deaths of 270*106 people in the last 1400 years.

Is there a right to wage war upon us because we do not submit to your 'religion'? Is there a right to kill us, rape our widows, enslave our orphans and seize our property? All of those evils are inseverable parts of the practice of Islam and can neither be neglected nor expunged from it. If Jihad is possible in a given year, and is not performed, all who knew of the obligation are in sin.

If there is a right to practice Islam, then our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are voided because, as Moe said, our blood and property are not sacred to Muslims.

Next, he issued a denial of collective guilt. I did not hear Geller or anyone else assert that all Muslims are guilty of the Abomination. In my view, all who admired the act, who sympathized with its perpetrators, who celebrated or experienced schadenfreude share some the guilt. If you are a Muslim, and you disclaim that guilt, then in order to believe you I need to hear you sincerely abjure Surat al-Anfal, at-Taubah, al-Fath & as-Saff. You won't do that, because you can't do it and remain Muslim, so I will never believe you.

To add insult to injury, he asserts that Muslims are trying to establish a "new relationship with America" and "new relationships with the people of the United States. How can one discuss this without profanity? If they are Americans, then they are citizens of America and fellow citizens with us. No other relationship is possible. If they are Muslims, then they are predators and we are prey. Which are they???

He says that there are "numerous memorials" to the decedents. Show me an enumerated list, please; I believe that the politicians are still haggling over the design and execution of the Ground Zero Memorial, and the one in Pennsylvania is a crescent memorializing the ideology of the perpetrators, not the victims. He does not want to conflate the idea of a memorial into that of the right of Muslims to have a Mosque. When Muslims conquered India, they tore down the temples and replaced them with Mosques. They built two Mosques on the rubble of the Jewish Temple. They turned churches in Constantinople into Mosques. They build Mosques as a symbol of Islamic supremacy and that is exactly what the Cordoba House proposal is. They are rubbing our faces in the blood and decomposing flesh of the victims! If the insult does not bring you to the brink of incontinence, you may be taking too many tranquilizers.
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Friday, May 21, 2010

Geller vs Ghouse

Pam Geller wrote an article published at Big Journalism, about CAIR's attempt to silence her message to an upcoming Tea Party convention. In that article, she included a debate she had with Mike Ghouse on Sean Hannity's radio show. The audio stream is accompanied by text and images from the Abomination. I want you to listen to that debate. I want you to hear the disgusting lies spewed by mike Ghouse. I want you to see those horrific images and relive that awful September morning. I want the anger and outrage to rise in your throat until you stand up and curse Islam.

I want you to resolve never to vote for a candidate for high office who does not clearly condemn Moe's War Cult for what it is. I want you to have your eyes and ears open, and your mind clear, ready to detect the spew of lies that flows whenever the subject of Islam heats up. The truth will not make you free if you do not recognize it and reject the lies which oppose it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk6efjmxK_g&feature=player_embedded


  • Well, Pamela, first of all everybody is crying out loud for Muslims to take the initiative to bring about a positive change and this cultural center that is being built is to do precisely that, to give a voice to the moderate Muslims so we can subside the extremists among us. It is good- et should be [unintelligible] by every American that moderate Muslims take charge and speak up. And this cultural center will house--one part of the cultural center is a prayer place, but most of it is talking about pluralism and how to get along, learning about each other and what this center is gonna do is a very welcome thing to do. And as for your comment about Muslims and jihad, its one of the most mistranslated verses that you're couching on for the last eight or nine centuries. Look at the Mohammad Asad translation and eighteen other translations. you are going by what was wrongly translated, not rightly translated, Pamela.
  • We should not tolerate any teachings of Jihad, anywhere in the world, not only in America. Muslims turn up against that kind of teaching.
  • [About Taqiyya] It is not in the Qur'an, you can't lie to the public, Pamela...
    • How will a Mosque, where Muslims gather to pray for our destruction, make any positive change in the damnable doctrines of Islam?
    • "Moderate Muslims" is an alias for what Moe called hypocrites, whose Islam goes no deeper than their throats, who are to be defeated and gathered into Hell along with us. The meek do not inherit the earth while the aggressors are running it.
    • Pluralism? Islam demands a total monopoly on faith and practice, it is not multicultural.
    • How to get along? No, its how to conquer and dominate.
    • Jihad is ordained for Muslims, made mandatory by Surah al-Baqarah 216.
    • [2:216]
      Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not.
      * v.216 : To fight in the cause of Truth is one of the highest form of charity. What can you offer that is more precious than your own life? But here again the limitations come in. If you are a mere brawler, or a selfish aggressive person, or a vainglorious bully, you deserve the highest censure. If you offer your life to the righteous Iman, who is only guided by God, you are an unselfish here. God knows the value of things better than you do. [Abdullah Yusuf Ali]
    • [2:216]
      FIGHTING is ordained for you, even though it be hateful to you; but it may well be that you hate a thing the while it is good for you, and it may well be that you love a thing the while it is bad for you: and God knows, whereas you do not know.
      * v.216 : Insofar as it relates to fighting, this verse must be read in conjunction with 2:190-193 and 22:39: but it expresses, in addition, a general truth applicable to many situations.[Mohammad Asad]
Surah Al-Baqarah deals with defensive jihad, when Dar ul-Islam is threatened with invasion. Surah Al-Anfal & Surah At-Taubah are about offensive jihad, when Islam takes the aggressive initiative.
  • 3:28. Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliyâ (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allâh in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allâh warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allâh is the final return.
    • Let not the believers take the disbelievers as patrons, rather than, that is, instead of, the believers — for whoever does that, that is, [whoever] takes them as patrons, does not belong to, the religion of, God in anyway — unless you protect yourselves against them, as a safeguard (tuqātan, ‘as a safeguard’, is the verbal noun from taqiyyatan), that is to say, [unless] you fear something, in which case you may show patronage to them through words, but not in your hearts: this was before the hegemony of Islam and [the dispensation] applies to any individual residing in a land with no say in it. God warns you, He instills fear in you, of His Self, [warning] that He may be wrathful with you if you take them as patrons; and to God is the journey’s end, the return, and He will requite you. [Jalalayn]
  • 16:106. Whoever disbelieved in Allâh after his belief, except him who is forced thereto and whose heart is at rest with Faith but such as open their breasts to disbelief, on them is wrath from Allâh, and theirs will be a great torment.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn is fairly terse, yet it clarifies the meaning of verses sufficiently. Ibn Kathir's Tafsir is more verbose and one of the most accepted. http://www.qtafsir.com/ has a search engine with which you can look up verses by the Surah: Ayeh numbers. Here are the titles of the tafsir most relevant to this issue. Clicking them will display the Arabic text, related ahadith and Ibn Kathir's explanations.

So terrorism is harram? Explain away these tafsir which explain 8:60 and 8:12!!


Riyad us-Saliheen, Book 11, Chapter 234 presents the most relevant ahadith with commentary. Shari'ah is based on both sources. Its most accepted codification is Reliance of the Traveller.
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